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Postby Phill_dvsn » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 5:58 pm

It's good to finally find out what that culvert was, i did use to wonder. Who'd have thought a mill pond in that area of concrete and horrid industrial buildings?

Thanks for posting that map Chameleon Wink    
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Postby chameleon » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 6:08 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote:
It's good to finally find out what that culvert was, i did use to wonder. Who'd have thought a mill pond in that are of concrete and horrid industrial buildings?

Thanks for posting that map Chameleon Wink


Nice it works again and thanks Brunel, I remember now!    
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 6:11 pm

Looking on your magic map, Is there any other water course that feeds into the Gipton beck going back towards Roundhay road/Gledhow at any point Chameleon?

That Gipton beck culvert section is largely unknown territory, It's a very stoopy, humid and boring concrete construction underneath Roseville road, I know it's like that for a quarter of a mile perhaps, but i have seen one picture further up where older Victorian brickwork provides a nice crossroads section, old and new construction meets nicely.            
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 6:27 pm

I can't for the life of me place this section of culvert been built in 1934, it's a concrete section with a trough in. There isn't one like that in the Gipton culvert these days.

I'm just wondering if this junction is what fed the Gipton beck into the Meanwood beck, running alongside Benson street, and then came out of Brunels pipe on his pic?

The trough in this pic is certainly the same design as the Outfall on Brunels shot.
http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2181&DISPLAY=FULL            

Another shot taken from street level.
http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2187&DISPLAY=FULL    

EDIT. I think that wall and house on this bottom picture is the old Benson street before it got flattened.
Anyone else agree?
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 6:56 pm

Here's the old Benson street in 1959, it looks the same as the houses on the picture above with the culvert construction.
You can see the Gipton beck running out from the other side of the road, roughly where it emerges today.

http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=200319_65565127&DISPLAY=FULL        

It was all still standing, but derelict in 1976.
http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=20031125_10467165

And i guess these industrial buildings with chimney, are the one and only Mills that used the mill pond on Chameleons map.
Note the aptly named 'Breakwater hotel' in the foreground.

http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=454&DISPLAY=FULL    

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Postby Phill_dvsn » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 7:21 pm

I've never been able to place where this double decker bus crashed into the beck either, but i can now lol.
http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=4036&DISPLAY=FULL

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Postby chameleon » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 8:58 pm

Brunel wrote:
         Meanwood meets Gipton/Gledhow


                http://snipurl.com/ubv6w

As previously mentioned by Phill.D


So it still follows the original line to meet Lady/Meanwood Beck, beggingg the question of the purpose of Brunel's bricked-up culvert. It does follow a line which would have been the bypass/overflow past the old pond but it seems rather newer than that.
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 9:12 pm

Yes..... It seems Brunels Culvert was built in 1934
(can't be bad having a culvert named after you mate)
The mill pond was certainly defunct by that time, most probably not even there. I don't think the culvert was in anyway connected to a mill pond by that time.

The Gipton beck lower down past that intersection pic on Leodis, was not built to carry any great amount of water.
You can see how shallow the whole affair is to this day here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/450727939/

The bridge in the distance is Bristol street just before the New Roscoe.

I guess Brunels culvert was merely an overspill to divert any heavy rain fall away from that inadequate section of Gipton beck. That's the only plausable explanation i can think of.
By diverting that water into the Meanwood beck under Benson street and out of Brunels outfall (no puns pls) it would still travel around and meet the Gipton beck at the open section just below the New Roscoe here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/450694954/

You can see the Meanwood beck is much more capable of handling heavy flows than the Gipton beck at this point.                    
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Postby chameleon » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 9:14 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote:
Looking on your magic map, Is there any other water course that feeds into the Gipton beck going back towards Roundhay road/Gledhow at any point Chameleon?

That Gipton beck culvert section is largely unknown territory, It's a very stoopy, humid and boring concrete construction underneath Roseville road, I know it's like that for a quarter of a mile perhaps, but i have seen one picture further up where older Victorian brickwork provides a nice crossroads section, old and new construction meets nicely.            


I see nothing Phill, certainly no natural chanels but not to say there's nothing culverted at an earlier time, after reaching Gledhow that seems to be it.
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Wed 10 Feb, 2010 9:15 pm

chameleon wrote:
Phill_dvsn wrote:
Looking on your magic map, Is there any other water course that feeds into the Gipton beck going back towards Roundhay road/Gledhow at any point Chameleon?

That Gipton beck culvert section is largely unknown territory, It's a very stoopy, humid and boring concrete construction underneath Roseville road, I know it's like that for a quarter of a mile perhaps, but i have seen one picture further up where older Victorian brickwork provides a nice crossroads section, old and new construction meets nicely.            


I see nothing Phill, certainly no natural chanels but not to say there's nothing culverted at an earlier time, after reaching Gledhow that seems to be it.

I've tried searching the net to find the pic again, I'll find it eventually, It was Messers Drain rat and Oggy that ventured that far up many moons ago lol Regular Smiley    
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